Alpine not Always Ringing the Bell?

[Chime Hart]

Well, here on Shellworld, we still have pine4.64, but as an alternative, we can
run alpine, now 2.21.1. Multiple issues, certainly inconsistancies.
#1 while in an inbox, when new messages arrive, most of the time, the controll+g
bell will not ring, may just say "sorting inbox 100%" I think only if I expunge
messages, will it ring-and-tell me of new messages. This is certainly
inconvenient while in a larger inbox, reading with a screen-reader, as sorting
alphabeticly by subject, index numbers are actively changing. So if I don't hear
a new message notifier, I may accidently nuke the wrong message.
#2 Alpine seems slower about interacting with spam-assasin, sometimes sits there
30seconds or more, while this doesn't happen in Pine.
#3 Seems the default character set may be utf8 while in my pinerc I have an
iso8859. I don't think there are separate configs for pine verses alpine? Thanks
so much in advance
Chime

[Lucas Levrel]

Post by Chime Hart
I don't think there are separate configs for pine verses alpine?

With the -p flag you can tell Alpine which file to use as config file.

[Chime Hart]

Well, I realize I am replying to a message of mine from 2017, but among
13thousand messages, this was a most adequate subject matching this current
situation. Since that time, I not grab mail from a remote server, actually
FastMail. Obviously still inconsistancies with the bell ringing as well as my
earlier comments about times where it will just say "sorting mail 100%" The
real `killer was just today, I came home opened an index of 50 messages, began
useing an agregate command to mark items I didn't want. I expunged these items,
when I discovered an index had advanced as 2 items arrived alphabeticly near
the top of an index. Then I figured out because there were no notifications nor
any bells that rang, I nuked a daily C-Span schedule which I cannot get back.
And for the record I have a beep frequency set at the loudest at 1750. Sure,
like now while I am writing, I am hearing a bell-and-new mail from whoever, but
its mostly in an index where its rather inconsistant. Thanks so much in
advance
Chime

[William Unruh]

Post by Chime Hart
Well, I realize I am replying to a message of mine from 2017, but among
13thousand messages, this was a most adequate subject matching this current
situation. Since that time, I not grab mail from a remote server, actually
FastMail. Obviously still inconsistancies with the bell ringing as well as my
earlier comments about times where it will just say "sorting mail 100%" The
real `killer was just today, I came home opened an index of 50 messages, began
useing an agregate command to mark items I didn't want. I expunged these items,
when I discovered an index had advanced as 2 items arrived alphabeticly near
the top of an index. Then I figured out because there were no notifications nor
any bells that rang, I nuked a daily C-Span schedule which I cannot get back.
And for the record I have a beep frequency set at the loudest at 1750. Sure,
like now while I am writing, I am hearing a bell-and-new mail from whoever, but
its mostly in an index where its rather inconsistant. Thanks so much in
advance

It is always better to mark and save the messages into some saved
folder. Then you can go into that and delete them all if you want. To
delete in an active mailbox can be pretty dangerous as you have
discovered. And I sure would not depend on a bell. There is lots that
could disrupt that, including you having gone to pour another cup of
coffee just at the wrong time.

Post by Chime Hart
Chime

[Eduardo Chappa]

Post by Chime Hart
Well, I realize I am replying to a message of mine from 2017, but among
13thousand messages, this was a most adequate subject matching this current
situation. Since that time, I not grab mail from a remote server, actually
FastMail. Obviously still inconsistancies with the bell ringing as well as my
earlier comments about times where it will just say "sorting mail 100%" The
real `killer was just today, I came home opened an index of 50 messages,
began useing an agregate command to mark items I didn't want. I expunged
these items, when I discovered an index had advanced as 2 items arrived
alphabeticly near the top of an index. Then I figured out because there were
no notifications nor any bells that rang, I nuked a daily C-Span schedule
which I cannot get back. And for the record I have a beep frequency set at
the loudest at 1750. Sure, like now while I am writing, I am hearing a
bell-and-new mail from whoever, but its mostly in an index where its rather
inconsistant. Thanks so much in advance

It is not clear to me what the situation was. My understanding is that you
selected messages using aggregate operations. Did the wrong messages get
selected when you did that? (wrong in the sense that the messages that got
selected included messages you were not aware of), or did the correct
messages get selected but when you applied the delete operation the
incorrect messages got deleted? (because the message numbers did not match
the selected messages due to the arrival of new messages.)

Thank you for clarifying.

[William Unruh]

Post by Eduardo Chappa

Post by Chime Hart
Well, I realize I am replying to a message of mine from 2017, but among
13thousand messages, this was a most adequate subject matching this current
situation. Since that time, I not grab mail from a remote server, actually
FastMail. Obviously still inconsistancies with the bell ringing as well as my
earlier comments about times where it will just say "sorting mail 100%" The
real `killer was just today, I came home opened an index of 50 messages,
began useing an agregate command to mark items I didn't want. I expunged
these items, when I discovered an index had advanced as 2 items arrived
alphabeticly near the top of an index. Then I figured out because there were
no notifications nor any bells that rang, I nuked a daily C-Span schedule
which I cannot get back. And for the record I have a beep frequency set at
the loudest at 1750. Sure, like now while I am writing, I am hearing a
bell-and-new mail from whoever, but its mostly in an index where its rather
inconsistant. Thanks so much in advance

It is not clear to me what the situation was. My understanding is that you
selected messages using aggregate operations. Did the wrong messages get
selected when you did that? (wrong in the sense that the messages that got
selected included messages you were not aware of), or did the correct
messages get selected but when you applied the delete operation the
incorrect messages got deleted? (because the message numbers did not match
the selected messages due to the arrival of new messages.)

I read it that the two new messages got included in the messages that
were deleted as well as the ones that had been chosen. But lets hopes he
answers.

Post by Eduardo Chappa
Thank you for clarifying.

[Chime Hart]

Thank you Eduardo-and-William. Essentially William is correct, however, as an
index changed without any notifications, 2 messages I thought were gone were
still in an inbox, but 2 others were gone. With a screen-reader, it takes time
to examin a large index. I realize there are options to prevent new mail from
coming in while in an inbox. I also know I could set an intervill so mail
wouldn't check as frequently, but none of these work arounds would actually fix
Alpine's inconsistant behavior with both types of informing about "new mail"
Thanks in advance
Chime